Musings from a variety of people from Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
6/09/2005
More About Natalee Holloway
Info about Aruba
I'm again sitting here at the puter and the wife is ranting about some news spot she is watching on CNN "Headline News". She is livid about the fact that the local Arubians who were arrested were paraded around the cameras but the lone "White Guy" had a hood over his head, just like those pesky Iraqi insurgents we have all come to love and hate (Depending on your party.) The hidden are guilty I say!
This "White Guy" suspect's father is supposedly a super rich ***** politician in "Dutch" Aruba. (Yes, the Dutch still control this tiny island, and the locals, "Black people" are considered second rate.) I'll tell you my thoughts about just what happened to this white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. She either was raped and murdered by these pricks or sold to Columbian drug lords to be a sex slave. So where is the U.S. Calvary?
The MSM just LOVES this. I wouldn't put it past them to sit on information just to parlay the scoop of the day. a perfect story. Pretty straight A white girl is brutally gang banged by black animals. But it's great for ratings, right? I wouldn't put it past some form of the "Shadow Government types" to pull this off just keep you sheep away from the REAL issues. Like the killing of American teens in Iraq. All based on a PACK OF LIES!
Regardless, one thing is sure. Yet again a family and many friends are in turmoil over not knowing. Only the vultures feast.
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to the person who wrote about aruba and natalee holloway,
ReplyDeleteyou are an idiot you are so ignorent to think that all the people that live in aruba are black. and for your information the dutch do not controll aruba. Aruba has its own parlement, aruba has been independant since 1987. so before you write stupd shit do some research first ok. and by the way all the dutch people that do live in aruba are guests therejust like all the americans that live there , and I should know because I am aruban and I am not black ! so top being racist and get a life . what about natalee, everbody is making her to be a saint but every body is forgetting that she got in the car with these people. if she would not do somthing like that here in the us why do it in another country?? I do hope they find here and she is well , nobody deserves this.
This girl was in a bar, caught a load and left w/strangers in a foreign land (to her at least). She made a shity decision that most likely cost her, her life. What about parents who authorize their kids (even if she's 18) to go off to places like this to engage in stupid shit and make stupid decisions. By the way, this could've happened on Delaware Ave let alone Aruba, she would've probably still made the wrong decision irreguardless of locality.
ReplyDeleteabout natallee holloway,
ReplyDeleteit is sad but you know what everybody is forgetting to mention that she was hammered and all the tourist down there were saying that from the moment those kids got there they were drinking like there was no tommorow. it makes me mad because I am from aruba and I have lived there all my life and I admit I used to go to carlos and charlies too but you knnow what?? I left in my own car and went home when it was closing time , if she is si smart why did she do somthing so stupid all of this could have been avoided . And what about her friends , those are some pretty shity friends to let her leave with these guys If my friend was drunk I would not let her leave with strangers. I would like everybody to know that aruba is a safe place JUST DO NOT GET IN THE CAR WITH STRANGERS!!! IN ARUBA OR ANYWERE ELSE!!
i LOVE ARUBA AND i ALWAYS WILL i AM PROUD OF MY PEOPLOE THEY ARE HELPING AND DOING EVERYHTING IN THIR POWER TO FIND THIS GIRL!!
And please people do not asume anyhting , who knows she might have pulled a runaway bride stunt! the locals have been saying that they have seen her and that she changed her look trust me Aruba is small everybody knows everybody..\
god bless if anybody has any questions about my island please ask and I will be happy to tell you anyhting and everything
Ok, I was wrong to say that you are all black. So I took the liberty of doing some research on your tiny little island nation.
ReplyDeleteAruba
Background:
"Discovered and claimed for Spain in 1499, Aruba was acquired by the Dutch in 1636. The island's economy has been dominated by three main industries. A 19th century gold rush was followed by prosperity brought on by the opening in 1924 of an oil refinery. The last decades of the 20th century saw a boom in the tourism industry. Aruba seceded from the Netherlands Antilles in 1986 and became a separate, autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Movement toward full independence was halted at Aruba's request in 1990."
People
Population:
71,566 (July 2005 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 19.9% (male 7,308/female 6,960)
15-64 years: 68.2% (male 23,736/female 25,068)
65 years and over: 11.9% (male 3,486/female 5,008) (2005 est.)
Median age:
total: 38 years
male: 36.07 years
female: 39.7 years (2005 est.)
Population growth rate:
0.47% (2005 est.)
Birth rate:
11.26 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)
Death rate:
6.57 deaths/1,000 population (2005 est.)
Net migration rate:
0 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2005 est.)
Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 0.95 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.7 male(s)/female
total population: 0.93 male(s)/female (2005 est.)
Infant mortality rate:
total: 5.89 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 6.71 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.03 deaths/1,000 live births (2005 est.)
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.14 years
male: 75.8 years
female: 82.65 years (2005 est.)
Total fertility rate:
1.79 children born/woman (2005 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
NA
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
NA
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
NA
Nationality:
noun: Aruban(s)
adjective: Aruban; Dutch
Ethnic groups:
mixed white/Caribbean Amerindian 80%
Religions:
Roman Catholic 82%, Protestant 8%, Hindu, Muslim, Confucian, Jewish
Languages:
Dutch (official), Papiamento (a Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, English dialect), English (widely spoken), Spanish
Literacy:
definition:
total population: 97%
male: NA%
female: NA%
Source: CIA World FactBook (link added on main post for your convienance)
And yes, the Dutch DO control your country. and 80% are of mixed mixed white/Caribbean Amerindian. Fact is an American is missing and presumed dead or kidnapped as a slave.
to the person that knows so much about aruba!!
ReplyDeleteplease tell me what the dutch controll in aruba and I will be happt to correct you . all the schooling is in dutch and we have the dutch legal system other then that holland does not controll anyhting in aruba they have us under there wing . but thats it .
Then they control you. Just like England, or better yet the BANK of England still controls the United States.
ReplyDeleteRelease those Black Sec Guards
ReplyDeleteby: matterofmoney 06/11/05 01:39 am
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I knew tbey had nothing to do with this crime from the completely shocked look on their faces.
The White punk who killed her?
I couldn't tell his expression because he covered his face with his shirt in an act of shame.
She's Dead!
ReplyDeleteMy question is why did the teachers that were with these girls did not take note that Natalee was not with them. Not even in the airport and not even in aircraft they did not take note that she was not with them. For that is impossible to leave a place without taking note that everybody is with you. I think they should also interview those teachers.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about the teachers why were they not at carlos and charlies , and did natalee realy leave without telling anybody?? what about her friends why are they not being questioned , sources tell me that when natalee got in the car she was so happy and yelled out of the car window I love aruba wooo that does not sound like a person that is being kidnapped to me this situation could have been avoided if they had been keeping an eye on these kids. they make her out to be such an angel but is she realy??? the parents were on tv last night saying about the dutch boy being out that late but they forget to mention that there daughter was out in a bar late at night drinking what about that??
ReplyDeleteO.K. I ask all of you on Aruba this one question: WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY? The more this drags on, the more I as a fellow American like she is feels the need to Boycott Aruba. You all know something, but keep it hush hush for fear of ruining your "image".
ReplyDeleteI have netlogs that prove that you poeple are visiting my web site. Also, some of the search terms that correlate with your visits give me a feeling that someone knows more than what is being broadcast on the U.S. Madia.
Is natalee the 1st person missing?
ReplyDeleteI am praying for Natalee Holloway to be found alive and well. I am also praying the Word of God, which says in Matthew 10:26 "So have no fear of them: for nothing is concealed (covered) that will not be revealed, or kept secret (hidden) that will not become known. God is still alive and He is still answering prayer! I have also prayed that God will not give the suspects and authority any rest or peace untill they tell the truth!
ReplyDeleteI am also praying that Natalee is still alive and well.
ReplyDeleteOkay....first of all, I have to say that I've been to Aruba, and when I was there, I found it to be one of the "safest, cleanest, most beautiful" places I've ever been in my life! I am from Tennessee and was living in Venezuela at the time, so I think it's safe to say I've travelled a bit. Now...here's the other thing: I'm sick of hearing people BLAME the girl- ANY girl when something happens. "She shouldn't have done this"..."She shouldn't have been there" Has it ever occurred to "us" as "mothers" (Yes, I am one...), or a society, that if we STOP saying to the "girls" what they shouldn't do, but start saying to the boys, what they better NOT do, that we can stop this madness.
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with this. Okay...Natalee may have been drinking. So? Who cares? She got in the car with some guys she'd met. So? I've seen the pictures....you've seen the pictures...do they look like guys that would chop you up and feed you to the sharks, or sell you to the highest bidder? Come on? What's happened? Why aren't we saying, "Gee, why didn't his mother teach him to TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!" 'Cause let's face it, that's probably what happened. Natalee probably did drink too much...and when she came around to her "normal" self, she wanted it to stop, but little spoiled judge's brat couldn't take no for an answer.
See, I have a son, and I don't want the girls to have to be weary of him one day...I want HIM to know when to stop...and how to act like a gentleman! I want HIM to be a nice guy! I want the girl, be it that she's had too much to drink, or not, know she can trust him. That's where our problem is, people! We can't trust these boys anymore, because we've spent so much time telling the girls we can't trust them...we've forgotten to make the boys trustworthy!
Meanwhile, we DO need to teach our kids to be on the lookout, but lets not forget, Natalee and her family are the victims! She did NOTHING wrong. I'm betting that everyone taking the time to post something has ALL had a little too much to drink, but luckily, we weren't around the Joran Van der Sloots- we were around the "trustworthy" ones....Which is why fortunately, we CAN post something.
So get off it...stop talking crap about Natalee, her family, any other woman, girl, boy that has been victim to some horrendous crime.
Let's start addressing our focus to the real problem- the lowlives that are committing the crimes in the first place. Once we zoom in on them, maybe we clean it up....teach the future children to NOT turn out like them. That way, we won't have to worry about teaching our daughters to be scared and weary.....
Shana W. Gago- A Mother who Wants a Better Son!!!!
As a parent who's son was killed last year, I say hurray for Natalee's family for keeping her in the spotlight. If she didn't no one would. Bottom line is she didn't deserve to be harmed by these scum bags. The so called to be judge is just as much of a scum for telling his son how to get away with murder possibly. I say support America and stop spending money on other countries. Screw them all.
ReplyDeleteI am a dutchman, and my belief is that Natalee has left the Aruba.
ReplyDeleteOf course you can call all dutch names.
But it shows how you think about dutch people.
I have spent attention and time on me blog for Natalee.http://www.hoeso.nl
I would really like that she will be found alive and in good healt.
We dutch people have childeren to.
Nobody like's to loose a child.
And i dont believe that a 17 years old boy is so smart that he could kill her and hide the body so well that no one can found her.
It is my belief that she has been kidnapped, and will be sold as a slave for pleasure in some idiot country.
Dont hate the Dutch, we where there in Irak next to the US and UK.
And i dont believe that a 17 years old boy is so smart that he could kill her and hide the body so well that no one can found her.
ReplyDeleteI also believe that. But,the kid's DAD would be smart enough. I believe that she is in some sewer somewhere. Or, she may be in another country, like Venezuela, or even Israel, where the sex slave trade is booming. Regardless of where she is, The father and kid lied by changing their stories repeadly.
Deepak Kalpoe you will be banished to hell for eternity. For I have commanded it unless you come clean and tell what you know. For this has been written by me, GOD.
ReplyDeleteThis is not a joke.
It is Aruba's fault! Their government is corrupt as all hell and the white kid's dad is a part of it. He fetched big money for her by selling her. Natalee is being held as a sex slave as I type. How do I know this? Are you aware of all the other white American girls who visit Aruba and other places in the caribbean who never return?
ReplyDeleteThis has been going on now for decades.The only reason why this case has teeth or the lack of it, is because of Her mother and step father. Factions of the American intel are being hoodwinked by the Danes but something will come out around mid january.
LAST NEWS.
ReplyDeleteLet see now. They find Natalee at MEXICO. Now let see what you in Alabama will say. Stop molesting Aruba now. Or don't come to the caribbean any more.
Aruba and it's government should be slain, much like our American Natallee was. I say: NUKE ARUBA! Or, better yet, invade it like we did Iraq and kill ALL who oppose us! Let Aruba feel FREEDUM!
ReplyDeleteGo to hell. Since when can you receive a 911 call from Aruba.How the hell can the teachers leave without that girl on the flight. You can try to boycot Aruba but you see how the nature is against you in the states. That is GOD. All the desaster you are getting. This was planned.
ReplyDeleteMy my.. Such nasty words from a "God Fearing" person. Let me tell it to you straight. Aruba is a corrupt country and that vandersloot or whatever his name is is a piece of scum.
ReplyDeleteHe is the one who will answer to "God". I am all for boycotting your pathetic excuse for a country. Your liberal mother country is the epidomy of all things evil.
You Arubians are not welcome here on this Blog unless you come clean about Natalee. We know you know something, but are hiding it. And while I'm at it, I pray everyday that Snot face Joran VanderSloot will be hunted down by America and sent to Gitmo.Tortured until he tells all.
The dutch bitch and his two friends are guilty, three can keep a secret if two are dead, and this is not the case, the guilty party will inevitably be caught, my question to all of this is.....why in Gods name does everyone keep referring to Natalee's friends as "friends"??! BULLSHIT!!! And the teachers?? I hope they spend a lot of sleepless nights out there. I sure as hell would not ever let a friend leave a bar drunk with someone I don't know, if fact if they came with me,...they leave with me!! Friends? Natalee didn't have any that night!! They did not have her back nor did anyone pay attention to her absence, Friends?? No. The teachers involved with the care and supervision of these kids should be ashamed and punished, the students who call Natalee their friend should all genuinely be ashamed of themselves and soul search what it means to be a "friend".
ReplyDeleteAnd why in the hell would you knock people from Aruba?? Don't be an ass. It's almost 2006 people, stop the ignorant prejudice bull$#%. How are you going to judge a people as a whole for a single crime? Are you trying to show off the intelligence of the United States? I think bush has done enough of that don't you?
ReplyDeleteBilly The Kid said...
ReplyDeleteAnd why in the hell would you knock people from Aruba?? Don't be an ass. It's almost 2006 people, stop the ignorant prejudice bull$#%. How are you going to judge a people as a whole for a single crime? Are you trying to show off the intelligence of the United States? I think bush has done enough of that don't you?
Why? I'll tell you why! Because the people of Aruba as a whole to me haven't done fuck all for the rest of the world since the Earth was born. Thy snub their noses at the Holloways and the rest of America, and cover up the FACT that Natalee was abducted by scumbag Arubians and is probably in Central or South America, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia,Indonesia or some other fucked up country/area full of young girls FORCED to become sex slaves while the "Official" government turns the other cheek!
About Bush? I cannot stand seeing him but he still is the Commander In Chief and hopefully will grow enough balls to send in the right people to get her out before it's too late.
There are plenty of fellow AMERICANS who feel the same way as I do, so watch your back Aruba. Your lucky I ain't got no power.
What the fuck have you done for the earth as a whole. Your as stupid as bush. Calm down a bit and think with your brain. It's poeple like you & bush who used to start bar fights and while the rest of us finished what YOU started, YOU sat out in the parking lot, watching all of your friends defend your shit! Power?? Bitch,..you wouldn't know what to do with power. Look at the so called commader in chief, floundering like a fish out of water, a hand puppet when giving speeches and a spineless coward in the face of home catastrophies. What a legacy. I bet if bush told you to jump off of a bridge, you would too!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the fact that the Aruban Government has done shit for this case, but how are you going to blame the guy who runs a coffee shop in downtown Aruba?? Your blaming ALL Arubans. I'm full blooded Cherokee,..white man. But I don't blame you for past history. Your ignorant to think that the people of Aruba as a whole are to blame for this. There are 3 little piggies who are guilty as shit, OR there is the sex slave theory, but you anger is questionable, have you thought of anger management?
ReplyDeleteAs for Bush.....well I have to agree with the post. Thank God you have no power. We have had enough Hitlers, Coloumbus', and Bush's.
So what your saying is that it's "Ok" for these three to laugh at America? Laugh at Natalee's parents? KNOWING that they are involved? They admitted "Having Sex" with her. (I call it RAPE) "It was easy",they bragged. If someone did that to my daughter I would blow their fucking balls off, then leave them to die.
ReplyDeleteColumbus? Hitler? Bush? Tell me. Where would the Cherokee's be today if it weren't for the white man? Tell me.
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ReplyDeleteAll racially directed posts will be deleted and the poster notified.
ReplyDeleteWe are writing as concerned citizens, from many countries, to DEMAND a proper investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the Arubian Government's handling of her case. She could have been any one
ReplyDeleteof us, our daughters, sons, brothers, sisters, or children. NO family should be denied a proper investigation into the disappearance of a loved one.
Aruba proclaimed that it had "no crime" early on, so it is
clear they do not possess the capabilities to properly investigate this case. Yet, despite these proclamations, it refused to accept the helping
hands of the FBI and other investigative teams. This is NOT just about Justice for an American, this is about INJUSTICE to ANY tourists and their families.
We DEMAND to know WHY. What is it that Aruba has to hide? Now they
state that Aruba will STOP the investigation in January if there is no new evidence, while stating that police stopped looking after Karin Janssen was investigated. So how will they find this new evidence if they are not looking? And what are the test results on the evidence that has been handed over but is sitting on a shelf at the police department.
Rumors on the island state that the police are corrupt and know what happened.Who is going to investigate them? WHEN, will Vanderstraaten be questioned? When will the boys and Paulus be interrogated by trained
investigators who know how to ask follow up questions? When will Steve Croes be asked to tell the truth?
HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO MISSING BEFORE SOMEONE REALIZES THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM?
WHEN will the other states in the United States follow suit and join
the boycott to show support for a missing girl who could have been from ANY state? When will other countries follow in suit to show support?
HEAR US NOW, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
You can sit and do NOTHING or you can affix your name to this email and forward it on so that one day YOU can vacation and have confidence in knowing that if YOU were MISSING we'd look for YOU too. Let our governments demand answers or boycott.
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, we the people whom you represent command you to reach within your souls and further our cause. DEMAND ANSWERS OR BOYCOTT.
Please sign below by typing your name and forward this to ALL of your friends and family who you would hate to see have to experience this
horrific display of INJUSTICE. At the same time, please cc this
HOOFDOFFICER@OMARUBA.AW and vice_president@whitehouse.gov and
comments@whitehouse.gov so that the Aruban
government and US government, (add your own country's government) will hear our plea.
We thank you for your support and urge you to DEMAND TRUTH and RESPECT.
Hi! What ever happened to Freddy? He was Joran's BEST friend and was also held in prison for questioning - How did Joran come to know what Natalee's underware looked like - Beth said he described them to a T (embrodery)Dark on the beach, wouldn't you say? So, how could he be so exact? Was he on the beach with her? Or was she at his home? Joran's father is the root of all evil - People have mentioned that Natalee's friends were not friends that evening - You are so right - Each "FRIEND" said that she was not intoxicated when they were interviewed - Honesty might have helped a little in the investigation - There was an interview once with, I believe, 3 of her girlfriends - Facing the TV, the one on the left had this look like she REALLY wanted to talk and the one with the black hair (she was also driving a car with Natalee in the back seat)Well, for some reason, I don't trust her at all - A boy was also interviewed, it just seemed as though he and everyone else was hiding the fact that they were all drinking - Of course, they were! They were on a HOLIDAY! It was a SR. trip!We all weren't born yesterday ! It really is not a big surprise - It is expected!!!! Another BIG question - The Depak boy that was interviewed said that you should have see how Natalee was dressed - Most guys that are just drivers dropping someone off don't usually remember what someone was wearing - Seems to me like all three boys spent some time with her to know all these details - Oh and whose DNA was on the toothbrush? And what ever happened to the DJ? He had access to a small boat - He also lied for the 3 of them - What was in it for him? What ever happened to the reporter who followed the people he thought had Natalee? The last I heard, he saw them take off in a helicopter -
ReplyDeleteIt is so sad to read these postings. However, it is much sadder to know that many of these people are raising children of their own. I wonder how their children will turn out? I now understand why people say, “our kids are the future”. I am an 18-year old female and probably a lot younger than many of the people who have posted comments on this website. However, I feel that I am so much wiser and smarter than many of you. How can people blame the entire Aruba for Natallee Holloway’s crime, and how could many of you judge Ms. Holloway’s actions knowing that she is missing and most likely dead? How can fathers, mothers and/or people like yourselves post such awful and horrible comments regarding Aruba and Ms. Holloway. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Natalee Holloway could have been your little girl, sister, granddaughter, etc… Probably the only comment I found that was worthwhile, and it was posted by Shana W. Gage on 7/13/05. As she mentioned, “let's start addressing our focus to the real problem- the lowlives that are committing the crimes in the first place”. Lets teach the future children to NOT turn out like them. We need to teach our kids to be on the lookout. You can say all you want about Aruba but don’t judge everyone. Not everyone is corrupt. Maybe politics and the system itself have failed but don’t blame innocent family and children for their crimes. No one in his or her right mind would say such ignorant prejudice crap. I agree with a statement by that Like Billy the kid posted: How are you going to judge a people as a whole for a single crime?” Come on people! We are in the 21st Century. Prejudice, stereotyping, racism, etc… are barely heard of now so stop being so ignorant.
ReplyDelete-Jackie Ruiz
Hey, no one is blaming "the entire Aruba for Natalee Holloway’s crime" as you put it. Fact is, a few Arubian losers actively trade in white females.
ReplyDeleteTo say otherwise is pure lying. The people there have turned an ignorant blind eye to Ms. Holloway's disapearrance and see it as only a thorn in their country's side as far as tourism, which is sharply down since her disappearance.
And what of "Prejudice, stereotyping, racism, etc?" Ask Joran Vander Sloot's family and his friends in the Netherlands that question. I'm sure they think of the native Arubians as scum who can easily be bought off or hushed.
I just read some comments about Natalee's predicament in Aruba. Although I sympathized with the family and the pain they must be going through, I personally feel that the anger that was displayed to the Aruban people went way overboard. I too live on a small island, and contrary to what people think, not eveything that goes on the island is known to the whole community.
ReplyDeleteI blame the adults who were supervising these kids on this trip. I blame them for two reasons: 1- They WERE SUPPOSE to be the adults in this whole situation. They should not have allowed the students to drink the way they did ( some were very drunk). They should have been aware of the location of each child they were responsible for on that trip. As anywhere else this was a strange place, a place they had never been to before and they should have been warned. They should have been told not to go anywhere by themselves, use the buddy system, let an adult know when you are leaving the area you are in and with whom. I am a teacher and have took my kids on trips to other islands and states and my students cannot leave without the consent of the chaperones or myself. We also do bed checks and head counts and everyone has to be accounted for. The Holloways should be angry at those supervising adults, they should have been held accountable.
Second- Mrs. Holloway, although understandbly irate, angry and concern about her daughter's disappearance bashed the same people who was attempting to help her, maybe they did not have the equipment or man power like Alabama but they were trying their best with what little information they had. The adults and the classmates could not even contribute to the investigation since the supervising adults did not do their jobs to begin with.
Lastly I agree that Natalee's disappearance is a sad event for the family, friends and maybe even the state of Alabama and the some of the US, but I do feel it was overkill. They are so many things that were reported that were either half truths, rumors or down right lies, just for the hype of the media. This was a story that was played for air time, and station ratings more than it was played to help the family. They were exploited- and to what avail? Natalee was not found, and any evidence that may have been found I am sure was trampled by the bushel of reporters that trampled through that small island. Forgotten were the many soldiers that died in Iraq, the missing 5 year old that was not found, or the young black lady that was also missing at the time of Natalee's story. We as mankind are so lopsided we tend to see on side of the story- the side that will promote or benefit our way of thinking. This world surely needs some prayers for change. The question still unanswered is- did she by the hands of someone die, was she sold into sex slavery, is she still in Aruba....will anyone ever know. The only people who can answer that is Natalee.
Thy snub their noses at the Holloways and the rest of America, and cover up the FACT that Natalee was abducted by scumbag Arubians and is probably in Central or South America, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia,Indonesia or some other fucked up country/area full of young girls FORCED to become sex slaves while the "Official" government turns the other cheek!
ReplyDeleteHow did Australia get brought into this? Since when does Australia have sex slaves?
As someone from Australia, who has lived in Central America, and now lives in the US, I can tell you that people go missing everywhere. But they are not all kidnapped and killed. When they are, they certainly don't all receive the amount of attention Natalee has. If she was poor/ugly we wouldn't have even heard of her.
A quick google search will also show the massive amounts of escorts near Venezuela. A lot of money can be made working on a "pleasure boat" in the area. Perhaps Natalee chose to disappear and work for a while, and now that she's such a celebrity, she can't come out. Maybe she didn't want to come home, and took off. There's no way she's still on that island. Her body would have been found by now, unless she was washed out to sea and eaten by sharks.
Maybe the American media could also report on some other people that have gone missing. Just look at the Texas/Mexico border. Plenty of people go missing there, but you don't hear all you rednecks boycotting Mexico.
Grow up and realise that ot everyone in Aruba is in on this "consiracy". What if everyone boycotted America because of how many thousands of people go missing here every year?
Has anybody ever seen a Girls Gone Wild tape, or been to Spring Break. American women are so slutty, and will show their breast for a some cheap plastic beads. Just because she was a pretty white girl, doesn't make her any better, especially since tapes show her drinking.
ReplyDeletePerhaps she really did ask Johan to go home with her.Maybe they did get it on on the beach. Maybe he did think she was a slut and left her there when he was done. Just like most white guys do in America also. Go to any small town that's full of tourists, and the local boys will take advantage of the out of town girls who want to get wild where they think no-one knows them.
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ReplyDeleteHas anybody ever seen a Girls Gone Wild tape, or been to Spring Break. American women are so slutty, and will show their breast for a some cheap plastic beads. Just because she was a pretty white girl, doesn't make her any better, especially since tapes show her drinking.
Perhaps she really did ask Johan to go home with her.Maybe they did get it on on the beach. Maybe he did think she was a slut and left her there when he was done. Just like most white guys do in America also. Go to any small town that's full of tourists, and the local boys will take advantage of the out of town girls who want to get wild where they think no-one knows them.
So what your mind set is, is that she deserved to be raped and murdered because she was American, White, and Pretty? If that were my daughter, that Johan guy would be tourteured by me, bamboo shoots up his fingernails and worse. I watched "Primetime" last night, and saw through his LIES.
To me, Aruba and the Netherlands are BOTH countries that whitewashed this investigation from the start. The only thing I know for sure is that "Urine", My name for him, will get his one day when he meets God.The little punkass murdering fucker.
I feel sad for her family and friends, but she was also partially at fault for drinking too much and not having enough common sense to not leave someone she didn't know. I think the person responsible should face the ultimate price (death). Hell, I have a daughter and I would do all I could to take his life before any justice system could. I am not going to boycott a beautiful, fun country like Aruba. In general the people there are very nice and hospitable. If you are from the US like I am, we have many faults of our own...such as corruption in the government, police departments, cover ups and some rich or politicians brat kid and congress lying about the real facts of our current economical shortfalls. I guess because we lost one young girl in a foreign country, we are supposed to go to war with them. Give me a break!! How about the hundreds of people that get killed right in our own back yard in the US. I believe Detroit has been named the Murder capital now. Do we wipe them off the face of the map. As I have said, what happened is sad and its ashame. We should or at least our goverment should use some of its resources to find out what really happened. It is kind of funny that we can pin point what time of day Saddam was taking a crap, but can't find a girl on a small island.
ReplyDeleteNatalee is alive I believe. And the punks from europe should be tourtured until they spill their guts. What about it America?
ReplyDeleteDear John,
ReplyDeleteFind and tourture Michael Posner and you will find out the truth about Natalee Holloway. He is the one behind it all.
12º 10N, 68º 93W
My Prayers go out to her family!!!! I don't know what I would do if that was my daughter. I would sue the school and go after those young men who saw her last.I mean I would kill them my self. I do not give a shit
ReplyDeletebutterfly said...
ReplyDeleteDear John,
Find and tourture Michael Posner and you will find out the truth about Natalee Holloway. He is the one behind it all.
12º 10N, 68º 93W
Hey Butterfly:
What makes you so sure about Posner? And are you from Curacao? The beaches are beautiful there.
First I would like to say that it is a terrible thing to lose a daughter. But I believe that evryone is placing a lot of blame on one country and it doesnt all belong there. Aruba is not representaive of every single criminal that lives there, nor is the U.S. for that matter. I know this because as a black woman who frequently travels to other countries, I am representive of every single black thug they have heard about in America. And needless to say, its an unfair presumtion. Also, as for the the teachers who were chaperoning this whole event, give them a break, They weren't babysitting!!! As a young adult born and raised in an American culture by decent law abiding parents, having been nurtured and taught right from wrong, good from bad, Natalee had a moral responsibility to conduct herself in a less precaious manner. I am 100% certain that all of us have made poor decisions at some point in our lives for which we paid dearly, but at what point do we accept the fact that she has to take full responsibility for her fate? That ALL of the decions she made led up to her disappearnace. That any number of things could have happened to her and that with so many suspects, and so many possibilities, how can we fault the Dutvh? I am sure it is very easy for most of you to look at the darker skinned natives of Aruba, determine that they are black and therefore guilty. But that doesn't neccesarrily have to be the case at all.Here's another theory, After a drunken night of wild sex and booze with counltess Island men, she passed out drunk on the beach and washed out to shore. Mean , maybe, but not entirely impossible.
ReplyDeleteThis message has been sent to multiple message boards, both domestic and
ReplyDeleteforeign. Please forward it on to all interested persons. Months ago I
developed the Natalee Holloway Law and sent it to numerous senators and
representatives, to include Alabama, to get their help in implementing the
law. Others have come to me for the format I used to outline the law to
Congress so they could also notify their senators and representatives.
Thanks to all who demand justice and the continuing actions of Natalee
Holloway's family, success is within reach; the Alabama governor is now
calling for a boycott of Aruba and seventy-five percent of Alabama citizens
agree with the governor. The Alabama governor has brought his message to
all American governors. Other states are now on board and the Natalee case
is back in daily news. Dr Phil has backed the boycott and others are
getting on board. The Natalee message is also gradually being felt in other
countries. For all who haven't contacted their congresspersons about
Natalee's Law, do it now to ensure that no American again becomes a victim
of criminal activity in Aruba and then the Aruban legal system becomes part
of the criminal problem preventing justice. If you know persons from other
countries, let them know of the dangers of going to Aruba.
But remember that the boycott that is now being called for is not the
optimal, long-range action. Only the Natalee Holloway Law, which is long
overdue, is an optimal solution to the problem. For those who missed it,
the Natalee Holloway Law is need when any American in a foreign country or
vacation spot is victimized and the foreign government becomes part of the
criminal activity or otherwise prevents justice for the innocent victim.
This law allows the American president to prevent American airlines, ships,
and other transportation going to the offending nation; this law also will
prohibit Americans under penalty of law from going to the offending country.
The president could apply all or parts of this law to the offending country.
This law would immediately be applied to Aruba and stay in effect until
those who drugged Natalee Holloway, abducted her, raped her and disposed of
her or whose actions resulted in her death or second abduction receive
realistic punishment under the law. When I say, ".whose actions resulted in
her death or second abduction.." I mean that even if Joran van der Sloot had
told the truth-which I doubt-and left Natalee at the Fisherman's Shack after
the rape, he is responsible for what happened to her-you don't drug a person
then leave them helpless on a beach. The same conditions would apply even
if Natalee had become drunk from the 151 proof alcohol Joran disguised and
gave her; however we know from multiple sources she wasn't drunk. As far as
Natalee being abducted to the slave trade in Curacao, no abductor would be
at the Fisherman's Shack at 3 AM unless Joran set up the abduction. The
intent of Natalee's Law and the gross incompetence of Aruban authorities and
judges would also be explained to all European and other countries since
their children would also be unsafe in Aruba. The Natalee Holloway Law and
boycott are safety issues for American citizens and a warning for citizens
of all countries, to include Aruba, and a law that should have been
developed years ago.
I don't care if it is an 8-year-old girl from any nation who comes to visit
Aruba who is drugged, kidnapped, raped, and disposed of, or an 18-year-old,
or any female foreign to or a citizen of Aruba, the Natalee case so far
shows that there will be no justice in Aruba for the victim; that is, the
offenders in Natalee's case have not been tried in court. The Aruban
incompetence in Natalee's case is so overwhelming that there has to be
another answer as to why justice has not been achieved-I will show you this
answer!
Remember also that the same flawed, non-optimal police and legal system in
Aruba also exists in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, and the Netherlands
(Holland). All countries should remember this fact when they want to go
smell the tulips-if you are unsafe in one part of the Netherlands, it stands
to reason you could be unsafe in all parts of the country. It is a fact
that the three abductors and a fourth person lied about dropping Natalee off
at her hotel, yet these persons walk the streets free. It takes a horrible
excuse of a legal system to allow such actions and tells all Netherlands
citizens that they can lie to the police and a judge and no action will be
taken against them. Again, can you see why I say that no American, or for
that matter no visitor from any country or an average Aruban citizen, is
safe in Aruba? In the Natalee case there is ample evidence to bring
multiple charges against the persons who drugged, kidnapped, raped, and
disposed of her. Yet no trial has occurred; in fact a grossly immoral
Aruban judge said there wasn't enough evidence to even hold the offenders.
I received information from an important Aruban that the Chief Prosecutor, a
female, cried after this decision by the judge. She had firm information to
prove rape; for example, one piece of evidence was that multiple witnesses
were present when Joran admitted raping Natalee as she went in and out of
consciousness. Now can you just imagine the depths of depravity of this
rape cover-up by this Aruban judge? This fact above all else indicates that
Aruban judges are involved in a cover-up to protect an important Aruban
judge-in-training and his son. Of course if future information indicates
that the Aruban prosecutor did not present all information to the judge as
an investigative technique to gather additional incriminating information
then I withdraw my statements.
The drugging and abduction of Natalee was a planned-in-advance and practiced
offense. Natalee's mother can provide additional information on this fact
from persons who talked to her. Joran and the Kalpoes had tried the same
type offense previously and from cable news an example of this fact by the
three offenders was given which occurred the April before Natalee's drugging
and abduction. Joran on more than one occasion surreptitiously plied
females with 151 proof drinks. Competent police officers could have
identified the planned-in-advance abduction immediately-it appears the
Aruban police cannot or don't want to. Even an American detective trainee
would have concluded immediately that Natalee was drugged, more than likely
the drug was in the disguised 151 proof drink Joran surreptitiously gave
her-this action alone indicates criminal intent. We know from multiple
sources, including a representative of one of the offenders, that Natalee
did not drink that much and wasn't drunk. The schoolmates with Natalee
weren't drunk, Joran wasn't drunk, nor were the Kalpoes drunk-so how would
Natalee be drunk? We know that Natalee was out with her girlfriends at a
casino, not drinking, before going to the club from where she was kidnapped
and somewhere along the way she had a late supper. We know that Joran was
at home around 11 PM and probably didn't go to the club until around
midnight. So in less than one hour he had to size up the situation, talk to
his friends, become acquainted with Natalee, buy the 151 proof alcohol
drink, put a drug in it, and give it to Natalee. With so little time left,
it is likely that Natalee, who would drink slowly, drank only one of Joran's
drinks. There is an even greater reason that Natalee wasn't drunk that I
will present later. Natalee's actions at the club, starting after midnight,
were so out of character that it indicates a person who was drugged. All of
the red flags indicating drugging were there, which you can look up on the
Internet. In addition, no eighteen-year-old girl like Natalee who was a
straight arrow, who was against drug use, who earned a scholarship by
studying instead of going out with the boys, and who her mother stated was a
virgin, would ever go to a foreign country and voluntarily leave a bar at
one in the morning with a just-met twenty-one-year old foreigner as creepy
looking as Deepak Kalpoe or an arrogant bully like Joran. The Aruban police
have to be total keystone cops as any intelligent non-Aruban police officer
would immediately realize that Natalee was drugged and abducted. Even under
Aruban law Natalee was kidnapped, yet the kidnappers walk the streets free
from punishment.
So what happened to Natalee? After she was drugged and kidnapped, she was
taken straight to Joran's apartment on the side of his father's house, as
the three abductors had pre-planned, where she was raped. We know from
Joran's statement in front of multiple interrogation witnesses that he took
her to his apartment and had sex with her as she went in and out of
consciousness-which is rape. Even if Natalee had been drunk, which she wasn't,
from the disguised 151 proof alcohol it would still be rape. It was also
known right from the beginning that Joran had sex with Natalee from other
statements. On the Dr Phil show an interview of Deepak Kalpoe was presented
in which he admitted that Natalee was gang raped. He further stated that it
was so easy. Foreign investigators are now saying one of the tapes was
manipulated; however, the person conducting the interview states that Deepak
actually made the statement. I don't know if it was manipulated or not as
you cannot put much store in foreign investigative statements about Natalee.
However, enough evidence is available for conviction even without Deepak's
statement. But the Aruban police did not pick-up on an important part of
Joran's statement in front of multiple interrogators-a statement which
brings a fourth person into the criminal action. That is, Joran told the
interrogators that after he had sex with Natalee he took her to the
Fisherman's Shack and left her then called one of the Kalpoes. So, if Joran
told the truth and the Kalpoes--after the rape--went home before Joran took
her to the Fisherman's Shack, and the police verified the call which they
could easily have done, then Joran couldn't possibly carry Natalee all the
miles from his apartment to the Fisherman's Shack. So how did Natalee get
to the Fisherman's Shack? Since Joran isn't licensed to drive that leaves
only one person who most likely would bring Natalee to the shack-his
gambling buddy, his father, Paul van der Sloot! Why didn't the Aruban
authorities check out this fact? Of course I don't believe Joran took
Natalee to the Fisherman's Shack but the police still should have questioned
him on how he got to the shack.
We know of the previous disgusting actions of Paul van der Sloot. For
example, he told his son not to tell the police anything-a certain red flag
of guilt! He stated, "No body, no case" which was another indicator of
guilt. We know from the statement of one of the black Arubans falsely
arrested that Paul van der Sloot was with the Kalpoes and Joran when the lie
was made up of dropping Natalee at her hotel. We know beyond a doubt from
Natalee's mother that Paul van der Sloot flagrantly lied to her. And as I
will show later, by this lie Paul put his foot in his mouth big time and
provided information which I believe links him to Natalee's disappearance.
Paul also had to orchestrate the 18 different stories Joran told to the
police and then the silent mode Joran went into. When Paul met with Natalee's
mother he was sweating profusely, sweat dropping on the floor-this happening
is an indication of extreme stress. I believe as does Natalee's mother, and
I have heard the same thing numerous times in the news, that Paul van der
Sloot knows what happened to Natalee. Can you imagine that this despicable
and immoral man could even be a judge in training? Yet this man has been
cleared by an Aruban judge of involvement in the Natalee case. The judge
who made this decision had to know from the media of the multiple despicable
actions of Paul van der Sloot, yet he released this man with no
recommendation that Paul van der Sloot be evaluated as to competency to be a
judge. What depths of depravity Aruba has sunk to if they allow such an
immoral person to be a judge. It stands out like a sore thumb that Aruba
has a different moral compass than most of the world's countries. Again, a
reason no tourists from any country should go to Aruba. As I heard on the
news, one of the judges who made a bad decision about the offenders who
drugged, abducted, raped, and disposed of Natalee had previously released
three men who gang raped a female. Aruba has no intelligent and moral
judges-still another reason not to go to Aruba. A judge who releases
persons who have admitted to gang rape of an incapacitated teenage female
like Natalee or others is the utmost, the apex of human immorality,
incompetence, and depravity and the Netherlands, if they have any concern
for justice, should fire the judge.
So where is Natalee? Most likely she either died from the drugs that Joran
gave her or had given to her or as she recovered from the drugs she went
into a rage from being raped and fought with Joran who then beat her to
death. I add this fact because Natalee's mother was provided a positive
statement that there was blood on one of Joran's tennis shoes. Since all
three offenders were scared of conviction for the gang rape, all three may
have been involved in Natalee's disappearance. But one fact stands out
above all else-a young and strong Natalee would not have died from the small
amount of alcohol but from the drugs given to her by Joran and maybe a
combination of the drugs and the disguised 151 proof alcohol drink
surreptitiously given her by Joran. Joran had previously tried the same
alcoholic scheme on other females. Joran's temper and bullying are well
documented. This despicable individual, as mentioned on the news, even
cursed his own mother when she visited him in jail. Joran was identified by
Natalee's family as the most arrogant teenager they had ever met. He, at
seventeen, was running wild, gambling and drinking in clubs. He is a
multiple liar as documented by Aruban police, Natalee's mother, and from his
Netherlands statement-in fact, if Joran was Pinocchio you'd need three
flatbeds to go in front of him to hold his nose. Anyone who chronically
lies like Joran and has practiced abduction of females before is capable of
rape and murder. In my opinion, and I believe in Natalee's family's
opinion, Paul van der Sloot to protect his spoiled brat of a son was
involved in the disappearance of Natalee. I believe Natalee's mother knew
this fact starting with the first lie Paul told her.
Also, from a statement by Joran a friend's father's boat was mentioned and
there was boat activity in the early morning hours on the day Natalee
disappeared. Additional information may bear on the disposal of
Natalee-information that came from Paul van der Sloot. In Natalee's mother's
presence, a stressed and scared Paul van der Sloot first told Natalee's
mother that he picked "them" up at 4 AM before realizing what he had done
and days later changed the time. So, put two and two together and consider
this scenario: There is a 98 percent probability that Natalee died as a
result of the actions of one or more of the offenders-death was more than
likely from the drugs given her in combination with the disguised 151 proof
alcohol. As the offenders had not counted on Natalee's death and were
extremely scared, the ring leader, a scared 17-year-old, went to his
protector who orchestrated the disposal of Natalee's body. First he sent
the Kalpoes home to establish an alibi. Since they could not use their car
once arriving home without waking their mother, they either slipped out and
waited for the protector or else Joran called other friends to help dispose
of Natalie. Meantime Joran or his protector called to get permission to use
the boat, then put Natalee's body in the protector's car, picked up the
Kalpoes or others, and went to the where the boat was docked and put Natalee's
body on the boat. The protector then went home to dispose of the evidence
and waited for a call to pick up Joran and his helpers. He picked them up
around 4 AM. This scenario could easily be verified by Aruban police.
First, check the incoming and outgoing calls to and from the protector's
house. The outgoing call would tell who owned the boat and the incoming
call would more than likely identify where the boat was located.
Again, notify your congresspersons continually to get the Natalee Holloway
Law passed. If you have friends in other countries, remind them immediately
that they are unsafe in Aruba or send them this message. Tell them that the
boycott should be just the beginning. No American, tourist from any
country, or ordinary Aruban citizen, can walk the streets of Aruba in
safety. If they become a victim, based upon Natalee's case, there will no
real police help, a poor investigation, a discredited legal system, and
totally immoral judges. The Aruban actions in Natalee's case are gross
incompetence and in my estimation a cover-up. When I say a discredited
legal system, if you compare the American system's feedback to victims'
families and allowing a reduced sentence for one of multiple offenders if
that offender tells the truth to convict other offenders with the system in
Aruba you will see that the Aruban system is a hundred years outdated.
The Aruban people should demand that they have competent government, from
the police to judges. The Aruban police initially totally blew the
investigation on Natalee, but what can you expect from a police department
that can do just as they please. Competent police could have solved the
case in a week. Any competent police would know that the last persons a
missing person is known to be with should immediately be investigated. The
police ignored leads, lost statements, didn't take statements in one case
until 19 days after talking with the individuals, placed barriers on the
investigation, and would not give feedback on the investigation. In one
case Dave Holloway gave the Aruban officials the name of an important
witness but when he checked back the witness had not been interviewed. Dave
had to go to the Prime Minister and give him the name of the witness; who
knows if the witness was finally interviewed. Did you know that Natalee's
father when he first went to the Aruban police about Natalee was asked how
much money he had? Despicable! This statement could be construed as
wanting a bribe. A police officer stated that they would search the crack
houses for her-again despicable! Natalee's father said that the Aruban
police stated if it had been someone else rather than Natalee they would
have stopped looking for them. This incompetence and I-could-care-less
attitude of the Aruban police indicate to me that Aruba is a lawless country
where people of all countries are unsafe. It also indicates that Aruba, and
as far as I know all of the Netherlands, lives by a lower moral code than
most of the world.
The police did not identify those involved with Natalee--Natalee's parents
did. The original police chief in charge of the investigation was a friend
of Paul van der Sloot and was quoted with the following statement: "How can
I do this to my best friend's son?" In addition, how can the Aruban
prosecutor go on vacation at the height of the investigation? Aruban
officials also tried to switch blame to Natalee's family.
The Aruban Deputy Chief of Police, as stated in a magazine article, accused
Natalee's family of impeding the investigation. What rubbish and an
indictment of a corrupt police, starting at the top. Moral countries would
want a victim's families providing information and doing minor investigative
work. Thank goodness for Natalee's mother; if not for her the Arubans would
have done very little investigating. She had every right to be upset at the
incompetence and lackadaisical and could-care-less attitude of the Aruban
authorities. So was the initial gross incompetence of the Aruban police a
cover-up orchestrated by Aruban officials? It would be an insult to all
dedicated, competent, and moral police all over the world to call the Aruban
keystone cops who did the initial investigation police officers. Aruban
citizens are also in danger; for example, as given on the news, a woman went
to the Aruban police because her male partner abused her and she was slapped
to the floor by her partner in front of the police. The police told the
woman that there was nothing they could do. If Aruban citizens purge
incompetence from government, then by this action they can prevent future
adverse actions that reflect against the Aruban and the Netherlands
governments.
My upcoming book, The People's President, also addresses the Natalee case
and the incompetence and cover up by Aruban officials. In the book, the
Natalee Law will be one of the first issues presented to Congress by this
president. To all Arubans I say this: Natalee's case shows that the
average Aruban citizen is unsafe in their own country. Money, whether lost
income to American companies or to Arubans, will not determine the results
of the Natalee case, nor will incompetence and cover up by Aruban
authorities and immoral judges. Beth Twitty and the rest of Natalee's
family will not go away in their hunt for justice and neither will I. Facts
in this case indicate a lawless country and a country with a lower moral
compass than most countries: Four persons broke the law in a criminal case
and lied to a judge and walk the streets free. Evidence indicates that
Natalee's drugging and kidnapping was a planned-in-advance and practiced
action and the persons who committed these crimes walk the streets free.
Even by Aruban law what happened to Natalee was a kidnapping. There are
multiple admissions of rape and the rapists walk the streets free. The
Natalee Holloway Law should be passed by Congress! I ask all American
citizens to join me in getting this law passed. In addition, all of the
world's countries should not let their citizens go to Aruba!!!
http://www.perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=70915&forum_id=38
Well, lets look at this situation.
ReplyDeleteIf she was burried, it would have had to have happened very quickly. This is not likely. The island is too small to truely hide someone for very long. When I say long, I mean long enough for the three suspsect to die of old age. Natalie is no Jimmy Hoffa, and Hoffa would have been found if he had been killed and burried in Aruba.
Therefore, we can speculate that the event was not 100% spontaneous. It had to have been part of some contingency plan ("In the event you do something that will ruin your life, break glass). If she had sex, or was raped, all three of the main suspects would not have been organized enough by themselves to bury the body, and feel confident that no one would ever discover any forensic evidence. It's been tried before, and has not worked for many in the modern era.
Clearly, the best way to remove the evidence is to get the evidence off the island. The stories they are telling really do not matter. They are a smoke screens. What matters is that they supposedly do not know where she is now. This may be true, but only half true. They might know she was moved, but not where she was moved. They might not even know if she is dead. What they do know is that they are in the clear. Otherwise, they would definitely shut up.
So, did she leave on her own? Unlikely. Who has the means that late at night to get something very important accomplished? Who is connected to the young mens' lives? The father. That does not mean he did any of the dirty work. He may of had it taken care of. Who has the resources, who is connected? It may not be obvious or popular, but the Aruban Authorities have the connections and the resources.
Natalie may well have been lying cold in a morge for all this time, burned in an incinerator, or taken out to sea and fitted with some concrete shoes. If she was sold, money would become evidence, so I doubt that is what happened.
The logical conclusion is that she was burned, creamated, and taken to sea. No body, no money, no proof, no charges. Game, set, match Vandersloot. And even if she were sold, her fate would still be the same. Cause once she gets AIDS or some other terrible disease, she is as good as dead anyway. Therefore it is logical to conclude she is dead, the three young men did not do the deed, the father did not do the deed, and that the authorities are the guilty party.
African Americans in the United States will tell you that over the centuries, authorities have been involved in many murders and cover ups. So, uniform wearning officers and sergents should not in any way, shape, or form prevent you from considering the authorities as suspects. If it can happen in the U.S., it can happen anywhere. Unfortunately, white privilege in the United States makes young teenage beauties feel powerful in spheres where they really have no power. The subliminal assumption that Joran is white, therefore I am safe, is what white girls in America would conclude. Her death is not her fault. It is the fault of the society from which she comes. It enabled her to believe that she deserved life, and that is ultimately why she lost it. This is a bitter pill for her mother, who enjoyed (and continues to enjoy) white privilege in the United States. But the finger will never point at the United States. This is a combat veteran of the 101st Airborne Division saying this, so trust me, I am not laying blame on America. It's just that we are so privileged here, that we are blind and ignorant to how the rest of the world is living.
Trust me, not all graduating seniors can afford to take class trips to Aruba, nor would all parents who could afford it sanction such a trip where drinking was a primary reason for going. Having servered a year in Iraq, I have trouble feeling bad about anyone's death anymore. However, if death is the issue, then let's focus on Iraq, Northern Africa, Somillia, and other hot spots in the world where there will be no justice.
The Holloway family is a white American family. In our culture, they are at the top of the class system. They expect life, beauty, wealth, and privilege. The failure of Natalie to realize three out of four benchmarks is what makes her death a tragedy in America. But when contrasted with events around the world, Natalie's life is insignificant. That is what Americans must learn to understand. We are not apart from the global human condition, but part of it.
She's in a brothel in Ururgay taking it three times a day by filthy kikes and waspy rich men
ReplyDeleteI think if you are stupid enough to get into a car with strangers and be drinking at the age of 18 you deserve to die a horrible death or be a sex slave the rest of your life. Especially if you are white, pretty, and rich. Ummm yeah... you people are ignorant assholes.
ReplyDeleteYeah and your a redneck Texan who has his head up his ass.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, I don't think Natalee Holloway is dead. She probably was sold to some rich sultan in the middle east who keeps her as a slave.
ReplyDeleteSadly, it's been almost 4 years and now she probably is sitting alone and scared on a perch inside a large birdcage in the sultan's home.
Perhaps she'll know freedom again someday.
Almost 4 years since this beautiful angel was kidnapped from the stinking Volcanic ashe called LIERUBA and the filthy animals who did it are still alive and well. Heres praying this year will see JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
ReplyDeleteIt's been over 4 years since Natalee Holloway disappeared! Either she is dead or still working as a sex slave in a brothel. Who knows, perhaps she got an EASY life of slavery...still SLAVERY...but maybe she is owned by one Master, and cherished.
ReplyDeletePerhaps she's dolled up in a beautiful gold bikini like Princess Leia and chained to the throne of some wealthy ruler in a rich mansion somewhere. Even that would be horrible, but may be her fate. Nonetheless, if it is, that would till be better than a dirty, horrible brothel.
Anyway Natalee, we're thinking of you!
Missing in Aruba
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Vicenzo Tromp was a prison guard for the KIA Prison in Aruba. He was murdered because he unexpectedly walked in on a situation that involved illegal dealings with high ranking officials and co/workers, and for his knowledge of people involved with the cover up of hiding Natalee Holloway, and the murder of Pitbul; a bouncer at Carlos and Charlie's.
We have been given names from Vicenzo of those who murdered him and had involvement or knowledge of his death, and the circumstances that he walked in on. We personally gave the names, descriptions, and other sorts of identifications to: the Aruba Authorities, cabinet officials and the Prime Minister. All names were validated. Because people are afraid to come forward with their knowledge, more lives are being destroyed.
We are posting this information to bring acknowledgement to a serious problem in Aruba, and with hopes of having someone with a heart come forward and help bring justice for the Tromp family. Vicenzo's parents, Humphrey and Maria, and his brother, Ludwig, are suffering from the loss of their son and brother. We ask for people to come forward and be truthful to help bring closure to this family. This is a cycle that will continue unless someone breaks their silence.
Pitbull was a bouncer at Carlos and Charlie's bar in Aruba. In 2006 he was murdered for his personal knowledge of the people involved in helping to hide Natalee Holloway from her Parents, along with knowing whose house she died in . He was going to come forward with the information but his life was taken and a stage was set of drug smuggling to hide the real reason for his death. His wife , infant son, mother and brothers were left behind and have had to live with the lies being told about his death. Justice must be served people know the truth and are not coming forward out of fear. Please image if this was your son, husband, father, or brother and come forward because this violence will continue. We gave names of involvment with his death to Aruban police, Ministers, and media and nothing has been done all out of fear . The truth always wins over lies
Natalee Holloway started our journey of travel to Aruba back in 2005. Natalee came through to us and asked for our help in clearing three boy's who have been wrongly accused for her disappearance. The facts that have unfolded and continue to surface are not what the mainstream media is presenting. One lie became a chain reaction and the effects have trickled into lives being lost and families suffering. We continue to be the voice for Natalee and we know the truth will unfold because the facts are the facts and the truth always comes out no matter how hard someone may want it to stay hidden.
When all is said and done we know that Natalee Holloway will be remembered as the girl who came through in spirit ,to help solve her own mystery of lies that were told to keep dark secrets from coming to light. We are not speculating or guessing on any of the information we have. We stake our lives on what we know and beg anyone to dig in and try to prove us wrong. We know the truth will be told and so many have had the opportunity to voice it but have stopped out of fear, but it will be told.